10 comments

  • markus_zhang 24 minutes ago
    This definitely asks for a black ribbon on top of HN.

    What a loss!

    • kragen 7 minutes ago
      What did Margaret Hamilton think of hackers? I think she might have been opposed to them, actually.
      • gcheong 5 minutes ago
        Your point? Whatever her opinion, her contributions are undeniable.
    • tarellel 18 minutes ago
      Yes please, This is absolutely necessary
    • omnicognate 21 minutes ago
      Good Lord yes
  • diskzero 4 minutes ago
    I was able to meet her, and others who worked at the MIT Instrumentation/Draper Lab, as a start-up I was with received funding from a VC firm founded by other Draper Lab members from the Apollo era. I was totally out of my league talking with them. This was thirty years ago and I remember her talking about formalized control systems. It was fascinating but went totally over my head. My startup was a fairly silly multimedia CD-ROM company and I was just happy to be in the room.
  • WarOnPrivacy 1 hour ago
    Dang. She was a remarkable stand-out, in fields full of remarkable people.

    The pic here is often people's first intro to her https://news.mit.edu/2016/scene-at-mit-margaret-hamilton-apo...

  • EvanAnderson 40 minutes ago
    There is a very nice oral history the Computer History Museum produced: https://computerhistory.org/blog/margaret-hamilton-in-her-ow...

    In Levy's "Hackers" there is a story about late night hacking on the TX-0 that fouled-up some weather simulation code an academic user of the computer was running. After hearing this oral history I believe Margaret was the programmer and the code was for Prof. Edward Lorenz.

    • bitwize 33 minutes ago
      Allison Parrish talks about this in some depth. Turns out toxic masculinity was an integral part of the old-school "hacker" culture from the jump.

      http://opentranscripts.org/transcript/programming-forgetting...

      • kragen 5 minutes ago
        That page is 403, but I was able to get it at https://web.archive.org/web/20161220114912/http://opentransc...

        I don't think it justifies your claim; there's nothing in the historical sources about masculinity, just irresponsibility. It's probably true that women were not allowed to be as irresponsible as the guys who screwed up in this case, but that's not because of those guys' understanding of masculinity. It's because the sexist culture of the time afforded fewer opportunities to women, in particular, cutting them less slack for misbehavior. With a less sexist culture, we could have seen Margaret Hamilton's computational fluid dynamics project stymied by irresponsible monkeying by women instead of irresponsible monkeying by men.

      • MarkusWandel 20 minutes ago
        I had to go to an archive site to actually read it; the link says 403 forbidden. I don't really see this as toxic masculinity just because the officially sanctioned user was female. Just an honest mistake - they did test their mod, just not enough for all possible use cases of the computer.
  • muunbo 21 minutes ago
    Margaret Hamilton actually coined the term "software engineer" IIRC. Rest in peace
  • bitwize 28 minutes ago
    I've talked a lot about PRIDE, Milt Bryce's information-systems methodology that was perhaps the first commercially available, rigorous methodology for developing software and the first serious attempt to transform information systems development in the commercial sector from an arcane art into a proven, repeatable science. It really has few forbears.

    But... Margaret Hamilton was one of those forbears. She got the ideas out there; PRIDE just commercialized them and made them palatable to business IT shops.

  • customguy 38 minutes ago
    According to Wikiquote, she coined the phrase "software engineering": https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Margaret_Hamilton

    > In the early days of this project, software was treated like an adopted child and not taken as seriously as other engineering disciplines, such as hardware engineering, and was thought of as art and magic, not science. I have always believed that art and science were involved in its creation, but at the time most people thought otherwise. Knowing this, I fought to legitimize software so that both software engineering and those who built it would receive the respect they deserved, so I began using the term “software engineering” to differentiate it from hardware and other forms of engineering. When I first started using these words, they were considered funny. It was a running joke for a long time. They liked to make fun of my radical ideas. Software eventually earned the same respect as any other discipline.

    found another retelling: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/13/margaret-...

    > During the early days of Apollo, software was not taken as seriously as other engineering disciplines. Though in fact we had a complex system of systems, we weren’t getting credit for what was a legitimate field. It was out of desperation I came up with the term, to say: “Hey, we’re engineering too.” It was an ongoing joke for a long time. Then one day in a meeting, one of the most respected hardware gurus explained to everyone that he agreed with me. The process of building software should also be considered an engineering discipline, just like with hardware. It was a memorable moment.

  • saulpw 1 hour ago
    This feels like a black bar event. RIP Margaret Hamilton.
    • oliyoung 59 minutes ago
      Absolutley does
    • EvanAnderson 41 minutes ago
      Definitely worthy of a black bar. She was a pioneer of making software quality into a formal discipline.
    • _doctor_love 25 minutes ago
      Came here to say this.
  • toomuchtodo 1 hour ago
  • timmg 1 hour ago
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    • geuis 42 minutes ago
      I appreciate a channel that calls itself out. That actually makes the content a little more interesting, because its not hiding what it is.

      (channel name is AI Slop for those not clicking the link.)

    • acedTrex 41 minutes ago
      Its unimaginable to me that people think making this kind of stuff public is socially acceptable. You may as well post a picture of your latest bowel movement and tell people to go look at it.
    • djohnston 58 minutes ago
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