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  • ouked 4 hours ago
  • 2b3a51 1 hour ago
    > "He noticed that the scales were overlapping one another in different directions — in one, they overlapped on top of each other in a clockwise pattern, and the other was in reverse. The fresh eyes of a person who hadn’t been staring at Paulinella for hours identified a curious, distinctive trait. Were they looking at two different species?"

    I found it reassuring that sketching what you see down the microscope is still part of a scientific practice. Also the 'fresh eyes' could perhaps point the way to a more collegiate organisation of research.

  • staplung 2 hours ago
    If you have a decent microscope and want to work on some citizen science that's directly related to the research in this article: https://www.vanettenlab.org/paulinella-consortium
    • deadbabe 1 hour ago
      What is a “decent microscope”?
  • alexpotato 21 minutes ago
    > Dr. Van Etten didn’t expect much from the water she had scooped from a random dock next to the highway

    There are stories of companies asking their employees to bring back soil and water samples from wherever the employees go on vacation.

    The idea is that this is a somewhat random sampling of locations that the company wouldn't have thought of on their own. Plus, it's possible that one of the samples has some novel chemical or biological compound that could lead to a breakthrough discovery.

    • kevmo 11 minutes ago
      Reminds me of penicillin research, where random cantaloupe from Peoria yielded the best penicillin mold.
  • chakintosh 32 minutes ago
    Reading this article with a bittersweet feeling. This is exactly the kind of work I wanted to do for the rest of my life while in Biology class at uni 15 years ago. But I dropped out and ended up in a completely different field (Design). But I still have that fondness of Biology in me all these years later.
  • Bayes7 1 hour ago
    >"The first species of Paulinella was discovered on Dec. 24, 1894, in the sediments of a backwater of the Rhine River by the German biologist Robert Lauterborn. He named the genus after his stepmother, Pauline."

    How can they say this without providing more background?

  • grantsucceeded 2 hours ago
    this revives my recurring desire to get a good USB microscope. Good, to me, in this context:

    a few hundred bucks

    able to look at microbes

    also able to look at less micro level stuff, like maybe the thing i'm trying to solder or fix

    is it wrong to solicit comments/recommendations here?

    • PhilipRoman 1 hour ago
      I'm in the process of building one myself. Take what I'm saying with a massive grain of salt, but I believe you basically need three things - objective, tube lens and a camera module.

      If I were you, I would probably buy a normal microscope that supports a microscope camera attachment, instead of specifically looking for USB microscope. There is a lot of misleading marketing around USB microscopes, a lot of them are literally just doing digital zooming in (I have a 30€ "1000x" microscope from Amazon which is nice for soldering and such things, but these fake microscopes appear even at higher price ranges). Treat anything >1000x for light-based microscopes as a red flag.

    • pppone 1 hour ago
      Some random ones I've encountered (less for PCB work though):

      - https://openflexure.org/

      - https://www.eurekamicroscope.com/

    • staplung 1 hour ago
      Perhaps better to ask here: https://www.reddit.com/r/microscopy/. They get that question a lot.
  • ____tom____ 1 hour ago
    They mention this event has only happened handful of times.

    This seems unsupported. More likely is it's happened a large number of times, but has only established a lineage a handful of times.

  • tpict 4 hours ago
    I wonder what the author thinks steampunk means
    • dekhn 3 hours ago
      Right- that's really just a version of a worm pick. I use similar tools (including a mouth pipette... remember kids, in chemistry: don't pipette by mouth, in biology: oops I think I just inhaled something!) working with tardigrade. If it was steampunk there would be some sort of goggles, leather, gears, and a tincture of laudunum.
  • GTP 4 hours ago
    I have an idea on how life could originate in a motel room :D
    • nate 1 hour ago
      I came here looking for this :) like someone has to be making this joke right. Or another direction of making the connection that there must be some life growing from the filth in a motel room
      • boie0025 28 minutes ago
        Thank you, I came here expecting the same.
  • Beijinger 3 hours ago
  • danso 5 hours ago
    • Barbing 3 hours ago
      Thank you! (Also, haven’t seen this kind of gift link that has the little login requirement, suppose they’re looking to strike a better balance.)
    • lokeshramchand 3 hours ago
      Thank you!
  • kova12 33 minutes ago
    You have been blocked from The New York Times because we suspect that you're a robot.

    wtf is happening to internet these days...

    • H1Supreme 25 minutes ago
      I've seen a big uptick in "prove you're a human" screens recently. Our ISP had issues the other day, and I suspect I was assigned a new IP (I've had previous ones for years). I've been attributing it to that. But, now I'm wondering if it's something else.
    • chaostheory 25 minutes ago
      I guess their ad platform for LLMs didn’t pan out?
  • alpineman 3 hours ago
    All they needed was a blue UV light
  • sva_ 2 hours ago
    I don't know what I should've expected, but I am a bit disappointed that they in fact did not find these organisms in the motel room.
  • m3kw9 4 hours ago
    I thought they use built up gunk from years in the bathroom to discover new species, so they choose a cheap motel.
  • oofbey 3 hours ago
    Why did they work in a motel room? The article kinda implies it had something to do with Trump’s funding cuts, but unless I missed something the connection wasn’t made explicit.
    • dekhn 3 hours ago
      I think it's mainly to be close to the sample collection area while also having a place to do microscopy in semi-privacy. Looking at their equipment, I think they bought everything out of pocket and pay for the hotel on their own.
    • chrisandchris 2 hours ago
      > The team — brought together, in part, by disruptions and despair over the Trump administration’s freezes to federal science funding — [...]
      • specproc 1 hour ago
        I dunno about the states, but in most parts of the UK, it's considerably cheaper than 80 dollars a day to rent a small workspace.
  • sevenart 4 hours ago
    non-paywall (perm): https://archive.ph/QpBF1
  • kstrauser 4 hours ago
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    • _qua 4 hours ago
      You think pond water is the worst thing an $80 motel room has seen?
      • kstrauser 4 hours ago
        > Jugs of brackish water lined the walls. Buckets overflowed with hunks of marsh grass.

        I don’t know, that goes a little above and beyond IMO. One typically doesn’t do science in a house-type setting, for many of the same reasons you don’t carpet a bathroom.

        • Brybry 4 hours ago
          Probably poetic license. You can look at the pictures and see everything looks very clean.

          The jugs are sealed. We can't see any "overflowing" buckets. Looking at some water samples under a microscope is not really that messy.

        • subscribed 4 hours ago
          > for many of the same reasons you don’t carpet a bathroom

          For some reason this is a commonplace in the UK.

          Yeah....

          • stephbook 4 hours ago
            I had a colleague who walked the tiled floor in front of pissoirs in socks..
            • subscribed 3 hours ago
              Ugh, I just realised my imagination is too good :)
        • pengaru 4 hours ago
          > for many of the same reasons you don’t carpet a bathroom.

          someone should inform the orange POTUS of this: https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/did-donald-trump-j...

  • mlkih 1 hour ago
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  • realo 2 hours ago
    Quoting the article:

    "The team — brought together, in part, by disruptions and despair over the Trump administration’s freezes to federal science funding — then made an exciting discovery."

    Apparently this is the new way of life for Scientists under the Trump regime.

    Sad.

  • codedokode 2 hours ago
    So $80 is considered a "cheap room"? How is a person supposed to earn $80 a day to pay for it and have something left?

    Also, cells can have scales? Amazing.

    • onlyrealcuzzo 2 hours ago
      It takes ~30 minutes to turn around a nightly hotel room, front desk check-in and other labor can easily make that >1h of labor per room per day.

      Even in the budget industry, your nightly utility usage comes close to $10, consumables are $3+.

      Hotel stays are typically taxed higher than typical sales tax.

      Once you add that in, real estate taxes, and any corporate taxes - you're getting close to the $50 price point...

      That's before you factor in the cost of maintaining the building, or the financing to buy the building itself (or any profit).

      Are we supposed to live in a world where everyone's entitled to be able to stay in hotel rooms for 1 hour of minimum wage labor? Because, until we have far more automation, I don't see how that makes any possible sense.

    • 650REDHAIR 2 hours ago
      $80/day is a cheap room in most of the US and Canada.

      My standards for hotel rooms on road trips are quite low and I will call the crappy motels to avoid the bloated .com booking rates and it’s not very often I find even 1 star hotels under $80/day after taxes.

    • dpc050505 59 minutes ago
      Per diems in the civil engineering union agreement in my Canadian province are 180$ a day to cover lodging and food when you're working away from home. Most people manage to spend less and save the leftover. That's tax free money unrelated to what you're actually getting paid for the work or transport time.

      80$ might seem like a lot of money if you're making 60k a year as a biologist. If you're in a field where profit is the reason you work 80$ is peanuts.

    • buildsjets 26 minutes ago
      You are supposed to be earning more than $80 a day. What do you do for a living that pays $10 an hour?
    • mkirsten 2 hours ago
      Have you stayed at hotels? Most people that work don’t stay at hotels and pay the hotel out of pocket.
      • codedokode 2 hours ago
        I am not from US and with that money I could rent a tiny apartment for 2-3 days. However, I prefer cheaper accomodation. $80 is super expensive if you have no other place to live.
        • buildsjets 28 minutes ago
          I'm currently on a business trip staying a Hampton Inn in a low cost rural area of the USA. The nightly rate is $120. This is not a high end hotel- generally considered 2-star level out of 5. The nearby Comfort Inn is one step lower in quality of accommodation and guests, and gets $75. Anything cheaper than that is a filthy, crime-ridden bucket of blood.
        • WalterGR 1 hour ago
          From my reading of the article, my understanding is that they’re doing science in the hotel room, not living there long-term.
        • yencabulator 1 hour ago
          In most places, you don't pay the day rate for long stays.
        • natedagreat22 49 minutes ago
          Where are you from? What would be a normal or comfortable rate for you?
        • physicalecon 2 hours ago
          Motels are not a habitation of last resort by any means. They’re a convenient place to stay while traveling.

          I expect the vast majority of motel patrons are additionally paying a rent/mortgage for their main habitation.

        • thatfrenchguy 1 hour ago
          Yeah salaries in the US are higher in nominal terms